The Saturdays Chart Runs (Albums & Singles - Top 200)

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Re: The Saturdays Chart Runs (Albums & Singles - Top 200)

Postby schizophonic_spice » 19 Jan 2012, 21:07

White Lies or Get Ready Get Set have potential to be their next Ego imo
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Postby Jamie » 19 Jan 2012, 22:28

I disagree. Nothing on the album could be a big hit like Ego, Higher or Up were. It's a very weak album.
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Postby Jay » 20 Jan 2012, 00:00

I think from a commercial point of view it's just beyond saving.

What baffles me is that just 2 months later, they're back in the studio working on music they supposedly hope people will buy next time. I've never known an act be given so many chances! Surviving 'Wordshaker' was a miracle, but now 4 years into the band they've done even worse, and are still given the all clear to proceed onwards! I'm frankly amazed.
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Postby Jamie » 20 Jan 2012, 00:02

If I was the record company, I would have definitely dropped them after OYR.
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Postby schizophonic_spice » 20 Jan 2012, 00:05

Maybe Fascination are happy they sell well with their singles, AFU has just topped 200k giving them yet another 200k + seller

MHTO flopped but due to the type of song it is that was to expected. Hopefully with more Xenomania upbeat stuff coming they will continue to sell alot of singles.
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Postby Jamie » 20 Jan 2012, 00:07

But even 200k isn't exactly 'good'. Fascination is a very strange label.
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Postby Jay » 20 Jan 2012, 00:12

200k isn't special these days. It's what your average-to-poor performing Top 10 hit sells now (and a lot of non-Top 10 hits can sell over 200k now). 'All Fired Up' wasn't even close to being in the Top 100 sellers of the year, and 'Notorious' not making it was in certain respects an under-performance.

The Saturdays selling 200k these days is like the Sugababes/Girls Aloud selling 50k in the mid 2000s.

All the defining hits of 2011 would have sold over 400,000 minimum. Over 300k were your 'above average, but not the most significant hits of the year' singles. Over 200k is average. Under 200k and it's not done particularly well.
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Postby Jamie » 20 Jan 2012, 00:14

That's what I just don't get. As much as I don't want them dropped, I can't see how they haven't been.
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Postby schizophonic_spice » 20 Jan 2012, 14:34

Jay wrote:200k isn't special these days. It's what your average-to-poor performing Top 10 hit sells now (and a lot of non-Top 10 hits can sell over 200k now). 'All Fired Up' wasn't even close to being in the Top 100 sellers of the year, and 'Notorious' not making it was in certain respects an under-performance.

The Saturdays selling 200k these days is like the Sugababes/Girls Aloud selling 50k in the mid 2000s.

All the defining hits of 2011 would have sold over 400,000 minimum. Over 300k were your 'above average, but not the most significant hits of the year' singles. Over 200k is average. Under 200k and it's not done particularly well.


I suppose but consistently getting 200 - 300k for a number of their single releases over a 3 and a half year period may have satisfied Fascination.

There must be some reason they choose to let them continue, money must be getting made in some avenue.
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Postby Javi » 20 Jan 2012, 15:32

I agree with Schizophonic. I don't know anything about their albums production costs, but it seems they're low enough to keep them signed as long as they sell singles and fans attend their concerts, even if they don't fill the venues.

I don't agree about nothing being able to save the album, because I think it has enough potential singles to be saved. But I do think it won't be saved because of their poor management and also because they won't do / won't be able to do what it's necesary to save the album.

I agree about GRGS being good enough to be another Up/Ego/Higher, but it won't mainly because it won't be a single and, if it is, they won't promote it properly.


They should release a 1-word-song called "Sky", "Clouds" or something similar about 'being high/going up' which seem to be their only songs that make an impact. lol
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Postby Jay » 20 Jan 2012, 15:53

It just makes me feel sorry for groups who got dropped in the past, despite selling similarly or better!

The 411
A #3 and #4 single, both in the Top 100 best of 2004. Third single misses Top 20, album misses Top 40 but sells 50,000. Not given a further chance after their record label merges with another. Dropped!

B*Witched
First album sells 700k, 4 #1 singles. Also big in Ireland, and some interest worldwide. Second album sells over 300k, singles go to #4/13/16. Record label decide against a third album being worthwhile. Dropped!

Honeyz
First 5 singles all Top 10 - first two being major sellers in 1998. Album performs moderately well - 100,000+. Second era doesn't go so well, label panics and drops them.

All Saints
#3 comeback single, which reaches #1 on download and radio. Album flops, but sells 50k. No effort put into follow up single, subsequently part ways again.

At no stage have The Saturdays done particularly better than any one of these girl groups. Debut 300k album - same sales not good enough for B*Witched. Top 10 hits but not huge sellers? Honeyz started off like this, but weren't given a chance after they stumbled with their second era. 50k flop album? Immediately dropped or "what's the point in continuing?" from The 411 and All Saints.

The Saturdays have just been very very lucky that their label is so lenient, compared to labels from the past. The Saturdays would have been touch and go to survive Chasing Lights era in the 90s and early 00s. Wordshaker without question would have got them dropped. I'd love to know what apparently makes them profitable when pretty much everything they do is an average success or a flop. Even the tour was a half-capacity tour which struggled to sell out.

I wouldn't mind any of this, but The Saturdays always give off an air of being super successful, and that they're extremely worthy of this apparent huge success. They survive a 50k album as if it was a million selling smash.
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Postby mysterious » 20 Jan 2012, 16:42

well, it seems that Fascination is a different label - aren't they kind of a small one? Nicola has got a good backup from them too, releasing Yo-Yo as a third single even if everybody knew she wouldn't sell after 2 flop singles... I love Fascination, they seem to actually believe in good pop music.
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Postby Jay » 20 Jan 2012, 16:50

I don't think Fascination operates as a proper label anymore, they're more involved with management decisions for the band. The Saturdays' label is Polydor, strictly speaking.

Nicola doesn't actually have any associations with Fascination as a solo artist - she's on A&M/Polydor.
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Postby mysterious » 20 Jan 2012, 18:43

^^oh, my bad then.
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Postby TheDoctor » 20 Jan 2012, 19:51

I get what you mean Jay about them giving off an air of being successful, but I only really get that impression from Rochelle if I'm honest. To me, Una and Mollie just seem too nice to get too far up their own arses, Vanessa rarely seems to care about anything and Frankie is just Frankie I guess. But with Rochelle she seems to think she's better than she is, vocally and with the success the band have got. Like the way she performs and the way she interfered with Alexandra's and Example's twitter argument, I don't know what it is but I just don't get a very good vibe from her.
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Postby Jamie » 20 Jan 2012, 21:25

Remember Boom? They just missed the top 10 with their debut and they were dropped. A more extreme case was Samantha Mumba. She recorded a second album after being successful in the UK and the US, released the first single and was dropped after it peaked at #5. I was shocked.
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Postby Jay » 21 Jan 2012, 00:53

CSweet7 you're right, it's generally Rochelle I get that vibe from too! Somehow it's enough of an attitude to make me feel about "The Saturdays" as a whole like that, even though that's probably unfair of me to feel that way, as the other four don't really come across like that. Don't get me wrong because I do like Rochelle and admire her talent, but sometimes she comes across like she's way above the level she is actually at, in terms of the band's fortunes.

Samantha Mumba! :( See, the industry really was so cut-throat. Was the same with the solo Spice Girls to an extent too. Victoria Beckham going in at #6 seemed like an utterly massive flop, almost like it hadn't been worth her while. The press made it seem like anything lower than #1 (or Top 5 if they were being generous) was dreadful back then. :x Nowadays any single that gets as high as #6 is quite respectable, especially if it hangs around for a little while. I mean if it was Nadine or Nicola going in at #6 nowadays, I sincerely doubt they'd be getting the kind of flack artists got 10 years ago for such a position.

*Rambled on a bit there* :p
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Postby Javi » 21 Jan 2012, 03:41

I agree with everything. It's funny who the solo spices were labelled as flops anytime a single missed the Top10, even the Top5... But, at the time, Melanie C's YYY/M being Top30 was seen like a disaster while nowadays it would be like Sporty Spice coming back strong to the UK charts. lol

I wonder what has changed in the music industry (busines-wise) for labels to keep artists signed with low sales and underperforming singles (or even worse, with non-released given-away-for-free singles like the Sugababes' Freedom).
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Postby mysterious » 21 Jan 2012, 05:51

well, the Sugababes haven't got a full-on contract with Sony, so they don't have a label right now.

I don't understand the logics nowadays either, but I guess I must be happy that things are not as harsh as they used to be 10 years ago.
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Re: The Saturdays Chart Runs (Albums & Singles - Top 200)

Postby Jay » 10 Jun 2012, 21:28

Updated the first posts.

Here's a quick look at all their Top 75 chart runs, to compare the singles week-on-week:

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Week Number:
01-02-03-04-05-06-07-08-09-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-29-30

08-13-19-25-36-47-61
|71-66 If This Is Love
05-06-07-13-18-22-26-29-35-45-35-29-32-33-32-37-37-27-40-36-45-48-52-45-43-64-73
|65-70-75 Up
55-44-36-27-06-04-05-09-12-16-26-27-32-35-39-58-75-74 Issues
02-03-04-14-20-27-39-55-54-73 Just Can't Get Enough
48-38-31-29-22-35-37-36-47-55 Work
02-08-14-23-37-39-49-65 Forever Is Over
52-35-30-20-17-09-14-11-13-19-24-26-34-43-45-49-48-43-36-46-57-61-68-70 Ego
03-07-11-16-26-24-33-41-47-63-72 Missing You
62-49-22-25-24-22-25-22-10-15-20-20-31-35-45-42-35-43-54-65 Higher
08-21-33-26-21-18-21-28-31-42-61 Notorious
03-05-15-21-22-31-46-70-74
|75-73 All Fired Up
15-28-46 My Heart Takes Over
07-17-30-66 30 Days


Note: If This Is Love, Up & All Fired Up weren't consecutive chart runs, these three all re-entered. The gap between the runs are represented by a '|'.
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Re: The Saturdays Chart Runs (Albums & Singles - Top 200)

Postby Javi » 11 Jun 2012, 13:58

The 10 weeks in the Top30 for Up, Ego and Higher are probably the biggest (and only) achievements they've had on the singles chart.
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Re: The Saturdays Chart Runs (Albums & Singles - Top 200)

Postby Jay » 17 Jun 2012, 20:06

'30 Days' squeezes in a 5th week inside the Top 100, at #99.
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Postby schizophonic_spice » 17 Jun 2012, 20:08

I can't believe it still hasn't been reduced to 59p on itunes, that would surely bag it some more sales.
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Re: The Saturdays Chart Runs (Albums & Singles - Top 200)

Postby Tiger » 18 Jun 2012, 10:35

I was about to post that I hope they go for a new musical direction but they seem to have done that with every campaign so far: pop - mature pop - pure pop - dance.

I hope they do edgy pop (or at least steer away from dance a touch) so they stand out from other music acts instead of merging right into them beyond recognition :(
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